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This one comes highly recommended (31/1/2009)
During the week I was referred to the work of Dr Rebecca Carley for some conclusive evidence about the dreadful dangers of vaccines. I have often suggested that some anti-vaccination liars are insane. Here is a case where real psychiatrists have made an assessment.
You might think that this action by the New York authorities had eliminated this lunatic's ability to harm children, but you would be wrong. She still has a web site and she is still cited by other anti-vaccination liars as an authority on vaccine damage to children.
For extra value, have a look at the transcript of her suspension hearing, paying particular attention to what the examining psychiatrists had to say. This is one seriously disturbed lady, but as her lunacy includes opposition to vaccines and belief in a vast conspiracy against her it is no surprise that she is some sort of hero to the anti-vaccination campaigners. It was interesting to read that she deliberately urinated and defecated on herself to inconvenience some police officers (after suggesting that one of them should sodomise a social worker so that they could have demon children). It makes a change from metaphorically urinating and defecating on the rights and lives of children. (See the request that ex-Dr Carley return her practising certificate here.)
I have decided to reintroduce my Proactive Kind and Gentle Policy again this year, where I write to people to ask them questions to clarify their positions or to point out problems with their arguments. The first one this year goes to ex-Dr Rebecca Carley
Dear Dr Carley,
I have been looking at your web site and it has raised a few questions for me. I note that you had your medical licence revoked a year or so back because at the time you were obviously barking mad. The content of your site today suggests that the pills, the counselling and the therapies are not working, and, if anything, you appear to be getting worse. I checked my thesaurus for possible conditions and I wonder if you might like to select your particular mental state or states from the following list:
ape, baked, bananas, barmy, batty, berserk, bizarre, bonkers, brainsick, confused, cracked, crazed, crazy, cuckoo, daft, delirious, demented, derailed, deranged, dingy, dippy, disarranged, disconcerted, disordered, displaced, distracted, distraught, disturbed, dotty, erratic, fatuous, flaky, flipped, flipped out, frantic, freaked out, frenzied, fried, fruity, idiotic, impractical, insane, irrational, irresponsible, kooky, loco, loony, loopy, lunatic, mad, maddened, maniac, maniacal, manic, mental, mentally ill, moonstruck, nuts, nutty, nutty as fruitcake, of unsound mind, off, off one’s rocker, out of one’s mind, out of one’s tree, out to lunch, paranoid, perplexed, potty, preposterous, psycho, psychopathic, psychotic, rabid, raging, raving, round the bend, schizo, schizophrenic, schizzo, screw loose, screwball, screwy, senseless, silly, touched, unbalanced, unglued, unhinged, unscrewed, unsettled, unsound, unzipped, wacky, whacko, wild, wrong
Judging by your attitude towards vaccination I would say that "psychopathic" is a close fit and it is obvious from things you said at your hearings that you are paranoid, but perhaps you might like to expand on these so that visitors to your web site can have the fullest possible information about you in order to assess what they see on the site and its relationship to reality.
Your friend, Peter.
Keep that Carley craziness coming in (7/2/2009)
Despite reservations by some regular readers, I didn't send the insane Dr Carley over the edge by writing to her last week and asking her to identify her species of madness. I didn't think it would, because she is so far over the edge anyway that another push would be redundant, but there was a certain attraction to the possibility of triggering a collapse that would have put her in the asylum where she wouldn't be able to harm any children with her anti-vaccination lies.
Dr Carley took my letter very seriously, and here is what she had to say, with my responses in italics. I wonder if there will be another round.
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:20:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Mental health
As pharma schills can never do, you did not dispute a single word on my site.
I wasn't attempting to dispute the words on your site, because they have all been disputed and rebutted many times before. In any case, I don't have time to address all of your lies, as I expect that I will be dead by 3014.
Calling me names is childish.
But you feel free to call me names, although I am not sure what a "pharma schill" is. I have, of course, been called a "pharma shill" many times by unimaginative quacks defending the indefensible.
Why don't you call into my radio show sometime and tell my listeners what information I give is incorrect?
As I said above, I don't have enough time left in my life to waste it like that.
I have clients all over the world (including Australia),
Oh, so you know that I am in Australia. That sort of makes a mockery of your invitation to ring your radio show, unless you are planning to pay for the call.
my protocol reverses all autoimmune diseases and cancer, in people and in pets.
Why have you never asked for my help to get yourself a Nobel Prize for being able to cure cancer? It's too late for this year, but perhaps you might like to try for the 2010 prize. I look forward to hearing about the people you have cured. Only if they exist, of course.
Thousands of people listen to my internet radio show every week.
Thousands of people read my web site each week.
I don't need a medical license, as I am a teacher now that the Hippocratic oath has become the hippocritic oath.
People are waking up BIGTIME as to the true intention of the medical mafia; i.e., causing disease and curing nothing. MediSIN is dying, and there is nothing that you and your "Quackwatch" minions can do to stop it.
What has Quackwatch got to do with me? I realise that it is a convenient bogey man for quacks and charlatans but mentioning it here just sounds like another example of your paranoia. As if any more examples were necessary ...
Eventually you will be the only ones using medical sorcery. And I certainly hope you are taking all vaccines available....
I certainly am. Why would I want to get sick from easily-prevented diseases? I'm not the one who's mad.
In Service to the TRUTH, I AM,
Rebecca Carley, MD
You say that you don't need a medical licence but you can't give up all the trappings of being a doctor, can you? Why not drop the "MD", or do you choose to keep that in order to add some credibility to your ravings? Isn't that a bit "hippocritic" for someone who calls medicine "MediSIN" and accuses doctors of "causing disease and curing nothing"? Come on, reject the badges of the medical mafia. You have already rejected everything you learnt in medical school, so why not reject the degree as well?
So there you have it, folks. Megalomania, paranoia and hypocrisy all neatly wrapped up in a tidy parcel. Is it any wonder that the anti-vaccination liars hold her in such high esteem?
Crackpot Carley craziness continues (14/2/2009)
I will leave my comments on ex-Dr Carley's response to my latest email until later (I have to clean the mouth foam out of the monitor), but here are some emails from her acolytes, sent to me as a result of her announcing my perfidy on her mailing list. I note that almost none of them used any of the email links on this site, which suggests that they haven't been here to read what I have to say. But why would I expect any more?
Calling someone names is sooooo professional.
I agree. It was very childish of ex-Dr Carley to call me a "pharma schill" (sic). And so unimaginative, too.
Since you have plenty of time to make unfounded attacks on Dr Carly, and as a fellow countryman of yours, I very much look forward to your acceptance of Dr Carly's challenge to debate her armed with your facts and prodigious research.
I have found from long experience that attempting any form of debate with insane people or people who are prepared to lie without remorse is generally a waste of time. I will, however, listen to her radio program over the next few weeks and make some notes. I am sure that I will detect many lies and paranoid claims that can be easily refuted, although I don't expect for an instant that ex-Dr Carley will ever admit to being wrong about anything.
WE invite you to come on Dr Carley's show real soon.
Truth does not worry about investigation......bring it on....
[I sent Jo the same reply as I did to Malcolm]
I do wish to take a moment to write to you regarding the slander which you have written to Dr. Carley which she has forwarded on to me.
Slander is spoken. If I had defamed ex-Dr Carley (which I have not) it would be libel.
I do not attempt to judge you or the situation which presents itself to you, although I do know that you have judged others unwisely and in haste.
That sounds like you are judging me.
Dr Carley has done a great service to this world in attempting to save peoples injured by vaccinations. I speak from my own experience in having seen Dr. Carley's therapies save my child from what was certainly a lifelong diseased state, if not a fatal injury as a result of vaccination.
I'm sorry to hear that your child had a problem. It was almost certainly not caused by a vaccine and it was absolutely certainly not cured by anything that ex-Dr Carley did or said.
In speaking out in anger toward Dr. Carley you have insulted someone whose knowledge and experience might one day be able to help someone you love.
I can guarantee that there is nothing that ex-Dr Carley could do which would help any member of my family,
Instead of burning the bridges that bind us together, we should think first, if not of others, than selfishly of ourselves. With the negativity which you have surrounded yourself with regarding this issue, you have only served to bring more negativity into your own life. As in all things, your cowardice and slander do little to support your claims and only paint your reputation in a questionable light. Instead of approaching others in anger, perhaps you should examine the true cause within yourself of why you feel the need to lash out against others. In this I wish you peace because I do believe that God forgives wrongdoing and guilt when approached out of remorse.
If I believed in a god I would hope that he would forgive ex-Dr Carley for the potential damage she does to children by her opposition to vaccines. Having said that, many religions preach compassion for the mentally ill, and remember that we are told in Matthew 8:28-32 how Jesus cured two mad people by transferring their madness to pigs. Perhaps you should pray that he could do the same for Dr Carley.
Respectfully (as I do hope you will remain in the future),
I am always respectful of those who deserve respect. People who lie about vaccines do not fall into that class.
Heather wasn't pleased, so the following exchange took place:
I have no interest in reading your email.
I do not exchange words, written or otherwise, with imbeciles.
Then why did you write to me in the first place?
I see you have dropped the pretence of being respectful.
Crazy Carley converts continue conversation (7/3/2009)
I still haven't got around to my reply to her latest incoherence in my email conversation with the certified insane ex-Dr Rebecca Carley. Neither have I managed to listen to her radio show yet, but as soon as I run out of more interesting things to do I will get right on to these matters. In the meantime, her followers have been pointing out her faults to me. Here are a couple of emails with my replies.
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:46:54 -0500r>Subject: Re: Dr. Rebecca Carley
Dear Peter Bowditch,
I saw a letter from you on Dr. Carley's website. In that letter, you said; "I have been looking at your web site and it has raised a few questions for me".
Pardon me, I'm certain it's me, being a sodium fluoride, mercury head, child of the state, but I am having extreme difficulty spotting those questions.
This is a very interesting topic to me, so if you could please list those questions that would be a great help.
I'm sorry to see that your education didn't extend to an understanding of idiomatic English or any form of metaphor or abstract thought. This is possibly why you are confused by ex-Dr Carley's ravings and assume that they might contain some facts. Of course, had you read what I wrote you would have seen that I asked a specific question about the type of insanity that she exhibits.
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:15:19 -0500
Subject: Wow - am I impressed
I've just read your Feb 4th letter to Dr Carley.
May I pass on a bit of free advice?
Sometimes it's best to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool ... then to open it and remove all doubt.
Thank you. I'm glad that you are impressed. I totally agree with your advice and it is a pity that ex-Dr Carley didn't take it before she started her ignorant ranting about vaccination. I suppose she has an excuse, though, having been declared insane. Have you met her? Does she still smear excrement on herself?
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:30:49 -0700
From: luke willard
Subject: Dr. Rebecca Carley
I noticed your letter on Dr. Carleys website. Do you have any facts proving her wrong? I'm not baiting you... I just stumbled onto her site and I want both sides of the story. I'm not interested in your perception of her state of mind or any opinions. I'd just like to know if you can provide me with (or direct me to) factual information that disputes her claims in regards to vaccination.
Chief Luke Willard
Nulhegan Band of Abenakis
That's not how science works. She is the one making the claims of immense damage being caused by vaccines, therefore it is up to her to provide evidence that she is correct. The fact that she is coincidentally insane has nothing much to do with anything. When she can produce more than assertion that vaccines cause more problems than they solve then it might be reasonable to take some notice of her. If you want a comprehensive investigation of the evidence she rejects I cannot do no better than recommend the book "Autism's False Profits" by Dr Paul Offit, available from a bookshop near you.
Subject: NO FACT NO ARGUMENT
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:34:14 +0200
You have no fact and no argument mentioned in relation to mrs. Rebecca Carley position on vaccination.
YOU HAVE NO FACT, YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT.
Your domainname is Rat in a Bag?
Who do you think is in that Bag?
You mention in an email many adjectives according to you applicable to mrs. Carley?
You ask her to choose some?
You point with your finger to her???!!
At the same time, many more fingers point to yourself!
I tell you: I will not ask you to choose some of these adjectives applicable to YOU, since I do not need your socalled judgment or choice.
I KNOW what is applicable to YOU.
Go and ask for as many vaccinations as you want and think are necessary.
I wish you good luck and you will not have much time to live, since you appear to believe in vaccinations.
Your true cause is a totally different one.
Go on crawling on the ground like a snake.
This is where your like belongs.
Go to the ground.
Go underground where you come from.
Go to the same darkness as is proliferating from your mouth.
Go on producing shit: in the end you will suffocate in your own shit.
You are to be pitied.
Strange mails indeed (31/1/2015)
I do Search Engine Optimisation for a living so it is no surprise that I receive a regular stream of spam offering to do SEO on my web sites. (When I was sued by a pyramid scheme operator in 2005 one of their formal complaints to the Court was that a search at Google for their company name had my page exposing them appearing above their corporate site. True story!) Strangely, I often get spams offering to improve the rankings of the web site belonging to ex-Dr Rebecca Carley, one of the few anti-vaccination liars to be actually and formally declared to be insane. I wondered why this would be and I have now found that not only does ex-Dr Carley mention me by name but she also exposes my email address to spammers. Ex-Dr Carley doesn't choose to reveal her own email address, so all I can do to return the favour is to suggest that spammers harvest firstname.lastname@example.org and start filling the inbox there with many offers of wonderful things. (It would be beyond irony if SEO spammers pick up that address from here and send messages to it offering to improve the ranking for The Millenium Project.)
The correspondence has moved beyond offering SEO services to ex-Dr Carley (and a look at her web site indicates that a good dose of web design wouldn't go astray), and now I have been offered products to sell.
My name is Sally, a sales from Huachuang Industrial Co Ltd., I got your email from website:http://drcarley.com/ Huachuang Industrial Co Ltd., is a component solutions provider and supplier of rubber and plastic for a wide range of industries. From aerospace, automotive applications, and electronics to HVAC and medical manufacturing.
There's more, but I don't want to expose people to too much amusement (and I'm laughing at ex-Dr Carley, not the rather attractive Sally (she included a picture of herself) who sent the misdirected email.)
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