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The messages below have not been edited except for the removal of email addresses and extraneous lines. Words in Italics are comments and annotations by me. Some of my thoughts about vaccination can be found here.
From: "J. Dandridge"
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:51:58 -0600
It seems to me that there is a lot of wasted time and energy spent on this subject. The name calling and just plain being rude is not accomplishing anything good. I have observed that when someone doesn't really have a strong case, that is when they try to intimidate, manipulate, and control a discussion by getting loud and making statements like "A special place should be reserved in Hell for people who want to kill or maim children by preventing them from receiving vaccinations." What good does this do? All you are doing is provoking anger and anger is never going to do anyone any good.
It seems to me that you are not considering all of the facts in your stance on this subject. Allopathy and the Pharma industry will never tell the stories of the children who are injured by the vaccinations. They will never tell the fact that vaccinations do not give you a true immunity. They will never tell that most vaccinations are preserved with Mercury, which we all know is toxic. I find it interesting how people react to people who have not been vaccinated. They act like the non-vaccinated person is this disease-carrying monster. If their vaccinations really did work in giving them immunity, then what are they worried about. They should be able to be around infected people without worry. Those that study the truth about vaccinations will find that vaccinations are not 100% effective and they will find that there are dangers. Look at the Polio vaccine. Until recently the vaccination given was a "live cell". Now it is "Killed or Dead Cell". Why? Could it be because the live vaccine was actually causing Polio? Could it be that the "Modern" degenerative muscular diseases that we see today are actually Polio? Could there be a cover-up by the AMA and the Pharma industry?
There are many good points made by the people that you claim are murdering their children because they didn't vaccinate. There are also many, many good points made by those parents who believed that the vaccination would help their child, only to find out that it actually harmed them for the rest of their life or it caused them to die.
I personally believe that we all have been duped by the Medical community and the Pharma industry. It all comes down to two things. Money and Control!
There are so many points that could be made here, however I am not going to spend the time and energy, because I am sure that what I have already wrote will be met with ridicule and name calling. I don't really care if someone says that "A special place should be reserved in Hell for people who want to kill or maim children by preventing them from receiving vaccinations.", because I don't believe in Hell and I don't believe that parents who don't vaccinate their children are maiming or kiliing their children. Most Parents love their children and only want what is truly best for them.
So say what you will, all of the derogatory things that people like you say don't have any effect on the truth. Any Free Thinking person can see the Truth if they will only look at all of the facts without their pre-conceived and/or AMA Brain Washed thinking.
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:21:41 -0500
Subject: Hello Peter
My name is April Malone. I have read your piece on Yurko. Let's put that whole situation on the side for a minute. I hate the term vacc. cult. I see that you are in the dark about alot of what goes behind the scenes of our government. Have you ever wondered why the Autistic population has increased tenth fold.? I know because I work with them- I have seen the pop. grow and the severity get worse in only 5 years. Some have even died from things like defaulted immune systems. And how about Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome? How come you never hear about it in the news for? Oprah had every topic under the sun except for CFIDS. People have asked her but no go! Why not? Think about it.
Vaccines have been contaminated .The mercury thing is nothing. It is the DNA/RNA virions and bacterium inserted into plasmids which is then inserted into mycoplasmas that which is the true problem. It causes Autism and other mental disorders. If you are interested in my research paper I will send it to you.
April A Malone
|Here's an interesting exchange about me that took place
Vaccinations mailing list at Yahoo! Groups:
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 05:09:27
WARNING........this site is offensive. If you want to stay in a good mood...do not enter
I actually feel like praying after seeing this......
Subject: RE: [Vaccinations] ignorant
and evil site
That guy is an idiot.
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:00:45
O I don't know why I didnt heed your warning......... That guy is angry at everything.......... I would even venture to guess he is a unabomber or something.......... He cracks me up what a loser I think he didnt get any hugs when he was a boy..........
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:28:26
He is someone we are very familiar
with and is horrid. He actually tried to get Alan in trouble
furhter when we were trying to help him - Alan Yurko who
is in prison for supposedly killing his baby when it was
vaccines. He is truly eveil
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:54:42
More than that, this guy is one sick puppy. He actually makes me proud to take the stance I have on vaccination. When the 'the other side' is so blinkered, pig ignorant and blatently evil, I know where I prefer to be. All I could find on his site was offensive abuse against people who have made the time to inform themselves and taken the courage to question the system and stand for their beliefs.
What does he stand for? I'm not
sure and I don't think he is either. He comes across as
an angry, unevolved little fraction of a person who probably
pulled wings off flies as a kid.
From: "Vicky Barrow"
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:02:05 +0000
I am a doctor and I've recently visited your website and i found it incredibly rude. Taking vaccinations should be someones own personal choice, you shouldn't go around stating that anyone preventing their children from vaccination should go to hell!I do state to my patients that it is a very good idea to be immunised but using force and condeming them is not the answer. Its also been proven that vaccinations have links with all sorts of paralysis and brain damage, some vaccinations are made from mucus! A main point that is currently being changed is that up until recently they used murcury in some vaccinations-now they've found its deadly! I do feel that vaccinations are neccessary but i find your website both rude and immature!you should be warning people and stating facts instead of resulting to petty name calling. This immaturity gets me incredibly angrey. As long as we prepare people with the facts they can make their own decisions on whats moral and not.
Subject: What a site.
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:52:27 -0600
While I do like some of your site, it is mostly humorous(which is what it's best at). The "anti-vaccination liars" is very humorous, because you really don't know what you're talking about. How does the freedom of choice PREVENT anyone from having a vaccination if they want it(getting access to vaccines has never been a problem here, no matter what publicity has ever been stated)? Please tell me. It would seem forcing someone to have a potentially harmful substance(no matter how small that chance is) injected into their arm is more ridiculous(far more actually). If you play the "misleading information" card, please tell me how so? And, if so, please tell me how it is more ethically responsible to not disclose information about possible side effects of any(not just immunizations) drug, as so many MD's(most never even considered giving out that info on vaccines until they were advised to do so since '92 or '93). Before you get on your high horse, know that I feel there are useful vaccines that kids should have(although it should still be a choice). I just know that the full schedule of them, as it stands in the US, needs, badly, to be upgraded if they wish to continue forced vaccinations.
Your staunch stance against the anti-vaccine/freedom of choice organizations shows a strong lack of objectivity in which you could base your opinions on facts rather than on subjective opinions and selective facts. But, hey, this whole site is your opinions and not neccessarily facts, so I'm not surprised.
Anyhow, your site gave me a few laughs today, thanks. I'm sure you care.
Vaccinations mailing list at Yahoo! Groups
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:09:10
I am currently researching Peter Bowditch, purveyor of crap over at the ratbags site. I've only just begun, but what I understand thus far is that he studied psychology in school. His work experience involves computers and I believe he works as some type of consultant. And that he now owns a computer company. He seems to be as zealous about pursuing alternative medicine as quackwatcher. And he admits that the anti-vaccine movement is his "pet" hate.
If anyone has any info to contribute on this guy, I'd sure appreciate it. I'm curious to know if he's gotten into any legal stuff like Barrett has. Meanwhile here's something I thought I would share:
<snip complete quote of my introduction to the Healthfraud list>
I responded to this by saying: "Your research doesn't seem to be going too well. A Google search for my name returns 1770 references (not all of them are me). It is strange that you couldn't come up with something a bit more recent than March 1998". This triggered the following messages, which were posted to the list at Yahoo! Groups rather than to me as normal courtesy would require.
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:29:40
Hey guys, check it out! Look at what I just received from ratbags. Bless his heart. He's so egomaniacal that he doesn't even realize that I didn't find him interesting enough to do much research on him. I'm afraid other research topics have taken priority and he has been placed on the back burner.
Hola Mr. Ratbags :)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:07:12
<<He's so egomaniacal that he doesn't even realize that I didn't find him interesting enough to do much research on him. I'm afraid other research topics have taken priority and he has been placed on the back burner. >>
(ROTFLOL) This just made my day! Thanks Kathleen.
I checked this guy out a few years ago. IMHO, he's not worth the trouble.
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:01:24 -0400
From: "James B. Roth"
Subject: Someone there is an ignorant, arrogant piece of lying garbage!!!
HOW DARE YOU?!!!.......... write such a pack of lies concerning Alan Yurko!!
There are at least 150 people and organizations from the medical and scientific community who can testify on Yurko's behalf, including Dr. Leonard Horowitz, author of five very respected books, but you're probably too damned ignorant to know who he is!!
You claim that Yurko murdered his girlfriend's baby, and has no remorse, but just wants to get out of prison, yet there's enough evidence by the medical and scientific community to prove that he did not murder the baby, while YOU have NO evidence to prove anything except your own ignorance, arrogance and total lack of integrity!!
You're the one who should have remorse for telling those dirty filthy lies about him. Maybe you're the one who should be in prison for slander, libel and defamation of character.
James Roth, Florida
This may appear to have nothing to do with vaccination, but Yurko is a murderer whom the anti-vaccination liars are exploiting in an attempt to associate Shaken Baby Syndrome with vaccination. You can read about this obscenity here.
I received some correspondence about comments I had made about a case of child abuse. You can read that email here.
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:20:50 +1000
WHO IS PAYING YOU FOR YOUR DRIBBLE AND HOW MUCH.? YOU SHOULD GO OUT AND GET AN EDUCATION BEFORE YOU MAKE A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF ON YOUR SOAPBOX.THIS ISSUE WILL ONE DAY BE EXPOSED FULLY IN THE CONTROLLED AND BIASED MEDIA.HISTORY TELLS US EVEN IN THE PRESTIGIUOS MEDICAL JOURNALS LIKE THE LANCET THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THE EFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES AGAINST THE DISEASE FOR WHICH THEY ARE GIVEN TO PREVENT, AND IN ACTUAL FACT CAN GIVE THE DISEASE.WHEN JAPAN RAISED THE MINIMUM AGE FOR DPT VACCINE TO TWO YEARS IT FOLLOWED WITH THE VIRTUAL DISAPPEARANCE OF COT DEATH AND INFANTILE CONVULSIONS.IT HAS ALSO OFFICIALLY BEEN ADMITTED IN THE US THAT ALL CASES OF POLIO IN THE US SINCE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE VACCINE, ARE CAUSED BY THE VACCINE.THERE ARE MANY MANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF THIS THIS SICKNESS INDUSTRY THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED THE DRUG CARTELS TO CREATE. WHY DO KIDS GET LEUKEMIA AND OTHER AUTO IMMUNE DISEASES TODAY, WHEN THEY WERE UNHEARD OF SOME 20 TO 30 YEARS AGO? HISTORY WILL TELL YOU THAT GOOD HYGEINE NUTRITION AND PLUMBING WERE THE REASONS FOR THE DECLINE OF THESE DISEASES WELL WELL BEFORE THE FIRST VACCINE WAS EVER INVENTED. IF YOU ARE FAIR DINKUM YOU WILL RESEARCH BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY LIKE MANY RESPONSIBLE PARENTS HAVE AND COME UP WITH YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS BASED ON INFORMED CHOICE INSTEAD OF POINTLESS BANDWAGON GRANDSTANDING. REGARDS GAZ
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:00:53 -0400
Subject: I've just been to your web site...
I have just come from your web site. If you had a child who was dead or nearly dead, I think that (the shock of that alone) - you would use whatever force you felt necessary to revive the infant - if it did not work you'd use more force. I HAVE A VACCINE INJURED CHILD & A VACCINE INJURED BROTHER! BOTH REACTED WITHIN HOURS! How can you say we are a cult? We are the ones with the dead & maimed babies & you sit there & tsk... tsk & call us a cult?? Shame on you & others like you. Wait til one of your children or grandchildren is injured or maimed... will you then chalk it up to coincidence? My Dr told me I was overreacting when my son screamed as Alan's did. He told me to put my son down & go to bed. That I needed sleep & my 'nervousness' was making my son worse. 36 hours later my son was in a coma. DID I do that to him? DID I CAUSE HIS BRAIN TO SWELL? No sir I did not. When I nudged my son to get him breathing (several times) and called the Dr at 2 am to get him to the emergency dept. the Dr told me to just keep doing that. And NOW he tells me 36 hours later that I must not go to sleep & that this was normal, but I should watch & nudge my son each time it happened to get him breathing again. This man took advantage of my naïveté - I was only 19. You mister, have you spent a thousand hours researching vaccines (BOTH SIDES???) as I have? You have been indoctrinated - just like I was, and even after my son almost died the same Dr stuck him again only weeks later, only for me to nearly lose him again. And he did this ON SCHEDULE right up until my son entered kindergarten. How about the time the Dr's found e-coli bacteria in my sons bloodstream, where it shouldn't have been. That is caused by leaky gut syndrome brought about by the toxins in vaccines. You going to try to tell me that my breast fed son who never got hamburgers was spoon fed E-coli? Tell me sir, how much time have you spent researching? But ahhh, of course YOU ONLY READ THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES! Who have zero to gain if they told the truth. Not to mention, why do they have to give Dr's free vacations, computers, software, dinner coupons, etc, etc, to push the product? So that the Dr will turn a blind eye to the true facts. I got my information from someone who worked for a pharmaceutical company.
In the 1970's and 1980's in Canada, Autism was one child in 2500 - today Autism occurs in one child in 130 - yes, I'll repeat that for you... in case you read wrong. Today it's one child in 130...
It is a well known fact - not just in our 'cult' that babies often suffer fractures as a result of being born - brain trauma too from instruments used to pull babies out that are not being born according to the Dr's busy schedule. That's a fact.
How about the Sally Clark in the UK - you think she should hang for that too? She was a lawyer & her husband a Dr. One child died within 12 hours of DPT shot & they said it was SIDS, & let the grieving family go home. A year later, she has another baby, who died within a few hours. Well now, let's take a closer look. 2 dead babies? (It's also a fact that if one child in the family reacts - it's a given that the others will too) Well now... That's murder. Why don't you read about her, how they locked her up for life. Too bad she chose to care for her children herself. Lord knows the couple could afford a nanny. Could have pinned it on the nanny... ahh, but we've heard that one before too...
Here's a little quote from Connaught labs:
"Sudden-infant-death-syndrome (SIDS) has been reported following administration of vaccines containing diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine. The significance of these reports is not clear. It should be borne in mind that the three primary immunizing doses of these vaccines are usually administered to infants between the age of 2 and 6 months and that approximately 85% of SIDS cases occur in the period from 1 through 6 months of age with the peak incidence at age 2 to 4 months."--Connaught (DPT)
I have one child vaccinated who is mentally challenged with many disabilities who WAS vaccinated.
I have one child who was NEVER vaccinated. She is a straight A - Honor roll student, who has won spelling bees, math awards & many other awards in her grade 5 class.
These facts speak for themselves...
You know nothing.
Mom of a diminished child who loves him any ways, but would have dearly loved to see him reach his full potential.
Here's a little treat for you... I'm sure you'll have a page up & running about her in no time, or do you already?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:07:45 +0930
From: Emma Hunt
Dear Sir, I am not ignorant, stupid nor a liar. I have an Honors degree in immunology. I am not anti vaccines, but I am anti the type of hysterical, scare mongering sensationalist tripe that I encountered on your site.
I am pro informed consent. In the first world we are lucky enough to have great hygiene, nutrition and medical care. And yes we are lucky that we can debate the issue of childhood diseases and rest assured that our children probably won't contract them.
I have not heard anyone say that "all vaccines are ineffective". What I have heard them say is that they are not as safe and efficacious as the pharmaceutical companies would have us believe. I think you should wake up to the real world. Wouldn't it be nice if we could trust the drug companies? The sad truth is that they have shown us time and again that we can't.
I would be delighted if a doctor or govt. health official could convince me with unbiased evidence that vaccinations will adequately protect my child from serious childhood diseases without side effects. Wouldn't any parent want that? If vaccines are so wonderful why oh why do you and health officials and doctors have resort to fear, coercion and hysteria to promote them? If there was so much strong evidence available, you and they wouldn't have to resort to these measures.
Instead of the smear campaign you seem to be running, why don't you give us this evidence of the safety and efficacy of childhood vaccines? Post all the sites that show the trials into side effects and give us the pro vaccine evidence we seek. You are just adding to the environment where fear and ignorance prevail. In the absence of information and transparency on the part of the medical profession, mistrust and suspicion flourish.
Yours sincerely, Emma Hunt.
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:56:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Murdoch Robert
In 1997 Dr. Shashi Gore performed an Autopsy on infant Alan Joseph Ream Yurko.
This child had been admitted to Princetown hospital with signs of respiratory failure, of liver failure and of coagulopathy (inability to clot blood)(bone calluses and small subdural hematoma).
The baby was placed on life support, then prepared for the donation of his organs with 20,000 units of heparin (an anticoagulant to prevent blood clots in the donated organs).
Baby Alan had his heart, liver, gallbladder, spleen, part of small intestines, and his pancreas removed and taken by the transplant team. During this process he died. The rest of the baby's body was then presented to Dr. Gore.
The baby had recently been given a dose of DTaP vaccine from the batch that killed and brain damaged more children than any other between 1980 and 1999, yet no toxicology analysis was performed. Blood work performed prior to the Heparin showed liver failure and coagulopathy, yet no blood work was analyzed by Dr. Gore.
In the autopsy report, Dr. Gore mentioned that the baby was a black male, he was white. That his head was 22cm in circumference, it was 37.5. That he examined the heart and that he prepared a slide of heart tissue. Yet the heart was taken by the transplant team, it was not present at the autopsy.
Because of all the bleeding from the heparin and surgical removal of organs, Dr. Gore stated that the cause of death was homicide by Shaken Baby Syndrome(SBS), yet in his report Dr. Gore specifically stated that there was no damage to the child's neck which is a necessary component of the SBS diagnosis.
Neither Heparin nor the vaccine were mentioned in the autopsy report.
It is upon the basis of Dr. Gore's report and testimony that baby Alan's father, Alan R. Yurko was convicted of murder and sentenced to life plus ten years without the possibility of parole.
hey ratbags, do you realize how transparent do your agenda looks? You talk about saving children. You have no idea what you're talking about. You wouldn't know how to, you know why? Because you're wrapped up in name calling and drama. Evidence and statistics are real helpful when you decide to get honest with yourself. It's clear you like to do exactly what you're told by the authority, because you believe they're always right. Have I got news for you.
Subject: Alan Yurko
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:06:30 -0500
It's you guys who are the arsoleles. You are all so dangerously ignorant and arrogant. While more and more doctors, scientist and other who are so very much more qualified to speak on the subject than you are joining the cause to free Alan Yurko, you ignorant idiots keep on spewing your inaccurate poisonous propaganda.
* Nationally known child abuse expert Howard Fishman, MSW, M.Ed has joined our rank and file. He is part of the PA-Governor's Task Force on Child Abuse Prevention and specializes in false allegations (inter alia).
* Recently, several lawyers and doctors as well as families have contacted us to thank all of you involved for the information and assistance we provide in that it was integral in winning/resolving their case and preventing miscarriages of justice... ... as we stress to all, this is not just about our family.
* Yurko supporter, Bill Winkler, will be running for The Senate in Delaware. Click here to check out his platforms and stance on vaccine issues: Winkler We support you Bill!
* Francine continues to do numerous radio programs. She did multiple shows with Joyce Riley and David VonKleist's The Power Hour which rocked open the autopsy issues. Joyce and Dave arranged then to have Francine flown to Connecticut for the Common Cause Medical Research Foundation Conference where she addressed the delegation. Francine's oratorialship is mesmerizing. She also appeared on The God and Country Club Show with Pastor Rick Strawcutter.
* About half dozen or so various publications did articles on the case these last two months to include Report Newsmagazine, The Idaho Observer, ICHF Magazine and The Bolen Report.
* Medical Defense Conspiracy, Ltd. of Australia and led by Cary Ooi, MBBS has joined our rank and file. MDC is a consortium of experts dedicated to exposing iatrogeny, medical negligence and procuring justice. http://www.users.bigpond.com/caryooi.htm
* Harold Buttram, MD, FAAEM did a radio interview on the case and vaxscene last month (9/11) with Dennis Courtney, MD out of Pittsburgh and has been invited back for a follow-up interview. Bravo Dr. B!
KEEP UP THE LIES AND DIRTY WORK, YOU MORONIC "ARSOLES"! I GUESS THAT'S YOUR JOB.
With all due disrespect,
James Benjamin Roth,
Delray Beach, Florida
From: "Judith & Albert"
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:41:01 -0500
How much stock do you have in pharmaceutical companies? You claim harm without vaccines what about all the documented harm from vaccines!!
Also you are the deceiver since all these pictures you show of unvaccinated children are all foreigners in countries where lack of hygiene is the reason these diseases spread. (Probably starting from one of your vaccines in an malnourished child.
If you want to talk facts and stats why not research yourself to see many, many diseases drastically declined BEFORE a vaccine was ever invented. How about all the vaccines that the reaction and death risk outweighs the chance of even EVER contracting the disease? You are mistaken a lot of us are scientists, doctors and just plain old educated parents.
Someone wrote in on 12 December, 2002, to volunteer her anti-vaccination liar site for inclusion in the list. You can see her email and my response here.
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:12:22 -0800 (PST)
From: philo jones
Subject: Please Get a Flu Vaccine Immediately!
Please get a flu vaccine immediately. Then follow-up with more flu vaccines, as many as you can legally have. You'll be in great health right through flu season and beyond. This will prove the anti-vaccine camp to be frauds, miscrents and wiseacres.
Please post your results of your study to the site. If you dare................
I think that was meant to be sarcastic.
From: "Dignazio, Gloria"
Subject: evil, pure evil
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:44:52 -0600
As a parent of a vaccine damaged child, I must say that I find your comments and website to be intentionally evil.
You must be of and from the dark forces, how else could you possible live with yourself.
I send you all my Light and Love, you surely will need it in this life.
I can't believe our precious Earth hasn't swallowed you up to get rid of your evil.
Mother of Sara
From: "Archie Snow"
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:31:25 -0600
you are the liar! Vaccinations kill and maim children and the only reason they are still around is because of the money. To some people, money is more important than truth.
From: "Archie Snow"
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:34:09 -0600
also, I'm sure you could find 1000 times more pictures of children who've been damaged by vaccines. and some children get these "vaccine-preventable diseases" from the vaccine.
The following message was posted to the Alan Yurko Kidney Auction page.
you mother fuckers have no idea what its like to lose a child and if you had any sense youd think is all this shit really safe for our kids so fuck you and your kids i hope one of you looses a child then goes to prison over it
father_of_5 - February 16, 2003 14:19:03
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:04:36 -0500
fisrt of all i Chose not to have my kids get the shot too. I had it so bad when I was older that I could not get up out of bed I would rather have mine get the chicken pox when they are young rather then be like me. and hey it is your web sight you can put what ever you want on it. Stephi
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:06:20 -0400
Subject: Thimersol, the preservative in vaccines, contain mercury,
Vaccines should not be preserved with mercury. It's poisoning our children. It doesn't belong in our bodies, period. If you want to sound a little more intelligent, perhaps you should learn how to spell. Learnt is not a word, it's learned.
I replied to this person that most vaccines do not contain thimerosal now. I couldn't help but also point out that people who use expressions like "Thimersol ... contain mercury" when the real word is "Thimerosal" and the singular present tense form of the verb "to contain" is "contains" should be very careful when impugning other people's intelligence by claiming that real words are not words.
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:46:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Thimersol, the preservative in vaccines, contain mercury,
In florida ALL ARE! Check your facts
There is a limit beyond which explanation of facts to the fact-resistant becomes masochism, so I didn't bother to reply again.
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:26:20 +0200
From: Gregg McKenzie
Mr. Peter Bowditch,
your 'Vaccination Liars' gripe is full of loaded words, emotive manipulation and you and many in the forum are just name callers with some personal axe to grind. You seem 'charged' with this issue but I'm dumbfounded as to what makes you so. Vaccination is wrong! You're an idiot!
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:29:57 +1100
From: kenneth twomey
Subject: Normal person with normal vaccination complaint.
I would just like you too know that my third child after being vaccinated, ( My other two were completely vaccinated), got whooping cough 2 weeks after the injection, you know what the doctors told me, "oh sorry about that but a child can get the virus they have been injected with". My answer was why the hell hadn't I been told that in the first place. "They said they don't like to scare people off vaccination, since the risk of getting the virus from the injection are low". Well guess what my child was one of them and while he might be classed as the minority, he is still a little person, my son and he does count and should be counted his life should not have been treated as in a game of Russian roulette I should have been warned, in stead I actually exposed my child to the virus. I felt that the doctors made me ignorant to the dangers simply because they want every one vaccinated. Its not good enough. So next time you complain about parents who don't get their kids vaccinated think of my little boy who was vaccinated and got the virus from that very vaccination, and I have proof the doctors admitted it to me and apologized!.
Whooping cough is not caused by a virus and every doctor knows that, so the quotes supposedly from a doctor in the letter are either fabrications or misrememberings. The vaccine against pertussis currently used in Australia (where Ms Vickery lives) does not contain whole bacteria cells and therefore it is impossible for it to cause a whooping cough infection. The vaccine used before 1999 contained whole cells, but these were killed and again could not cause infection. Ms Vickery is either misinformed or lying, and I hope that none of her friends take her advice and avoid vaccinating their children because of her unfounded fear mongering.